tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8781753636089506134.post6293642466686253322..comments2023-08-22T09:35:36.716-04:00Comments on True Confessions of a Prodigal Daughter: Madison, Wisconsin Church Nixes Altar GirlsMary Rosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04107504165449607702noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8781753636089506134.post-38620455956203376052008-07-31T16:23:00.000-04:002008-07-31T16:23:00.000-04:00A completely faulty attempt at a cause-effect corr...A completely faulty attempt at a cause-effect correlation. <BR/><BR/>Below are a few excerpts from this article... http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/ziegler_seminarians1_aug05.asp <BR/><BR/>Quote: <BR/>In some vocation-rich dioceses, priestly ministry at high schools and colleges has proved to be of decisive importance. "Young, effective priest-teachers in Catholic high schools are the most impacting and influential factor in priestly vocations," says Bismarck vocation director Father Thomas Richter. Bishop Bruskewitz believes that "the extremely fine pastoral work of the priests of the diocese, particularly in Catholic education and at the campus of the local state university, brings tangible vocational results." .... <BR/><BR/>Officials of the nation’s most vocation-rich dioceses most frequently attribute their success to divine grace given in response to prayer. "Of course we know that it is the work of the Holy Spirit!" writes Bishop Paul Zipfel of Bismarck. Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz of Lincoln credits "first and foremost the atmosphere of prayer for vocations and the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the patroness of the diocese." .... <BR/><BR/>The vocation directors of vocation-rich dioceses tend to be optimistic and go out of their way to invite young men to consider the priesthood. "Young people today are ready for a challenge and looking for a worthy cause to give their life for," notes Savannah vocation director Father Timothy McKeown. "The vocation to the priesthood meets these needs." ... <BR/><BR/>The nation’s 13 most vocation-rich dioceses all have fewer than 200,000 Catholics. The most vocation-rich larger dioceses are Denver (14th), Omaha (30th), Chicago (41st), Atlanta (43rd), and La Crosse, Wisconsin (44th). The most vocation-rich dioceses with more than 500,000 Catholics are Chicago, Washington (63rd), St. Paul and Minneapolis (64th), and Cincinnati (77th). Of dioceses with over 1,000,000 Catholics, only Chicago and Newark (80th) have vocation rates above the national median. <BR/><BR/>One reason smaller dioceses may be more vocation-rich is that their size allows for greater interaction between bishops and seminarians. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Not once are altar girls cited as deterring males from the priesthood nor is their absence attributed to the success of any of the vocation-rich dioceses. <BR/><BR/>How would the Jeff explain the high-success rate at the dioceses who have female altar servers? By his own admission, the diocese under Bruskewitz (he's a reactionary along the lines of Morlino - excommunicates those who don't kowtow to/agree with his positions - said he'd refuse communion to Kerry - refused to sign Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People ) is still the only diocese that bans females from being altar servers.Bella La Befanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03350355687280569405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8781753636089506134.post-36688124985286489652008-06-28T00:51:00.000-04:002008-06-28T00:51:00.000-04:00Jeff, thank you very much for such an informative ...Jeff, thank you very much for such an informative comment. Of course I'm no Canon lawyer, but it would at least seem logical from the high rate of vocations that "only boys" is a good thing. I truly don't understand why it's difficult to see the connection between this and a greater number of vocations. Baffling.<BR/><BR/>Tune, a good question. I think what would be optimal is if both parents sat down with the young girl and discussed why having only boys is a good idea. Issues such as spiritual formation that could lead to a priestly vocation could be one topic raised.<BR/><BR/>If the young girl responded by saying, "Well, why can't I be ordained?" The parents could then address that question honestly and according to both the church teachings and Biblical precedent for male apostles. I'd even take it a step further and nudge the conversation toward nuns and convents. I'd ask my daughter what she thought of that type of vocation.<BR/><BR/>There are many things I would love to discuss with a young girl because I think women have such a unique opportunity to serve the church. In the Bible, women followed Jesus and ministered to His needs.<BR/><BR/>My questions to a young girl: <I>What do you think are the needs of Jesus at this point in time? What do you think are the best ways to serve Him? And how can you serve Him now?</I>Mary Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04107504165449607702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8781753636089506134.post-48758945522804024722008-06-28T00:05:00.000-04:002008-06-28T00:05:00.000-04:00Hey Mary,Having been lived in Madison for four yea...Hey Mary,<BR/><BR/>Having been lived in Madison for four years, I am not aware that there is a "Mazomanie" church in the area. But with that note, I think you definitely have some good points. My question would be, "How would you explain this matter to young women who have been serving as altar girls for their entire lives?"Tunehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08538389459180668330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8781753636089506134.post-25728386181249492972008-06-27T22:51:00.000-04:002008-06-27T22:51:00.000-04:00Rather a silly newspaper overreaction.First off Bi...Rather a silly newspaper overreaction.<BR/><BR/>First off Bishops can either allow this or not. If they do then Pastors also get to decide to allow this or not. In this case a Pastor did what was canocally allowed for him to do.<BR/><BR/>The history of how this came to be in the first place is rather interesting. Girl altar server were starting to be used prior to the Vatican ever giving permission (just like with washing the feet of women on Holy Thursday.) There was a question of the interpretation of Canon 230.2. The decision of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts in 1980 not only contradicted constant tradition, but overturned what had been a clear prohibition of female altar servers in two principle Instructions of the Holy See on implementation of the Council's liturgical reform.<BR/><BR/>So it really wasn't a case of JP2 initiating this, but his response to a bad interpretation given to him.<BR/><BR/>Only two Bishops in the United States did not allow female altar servers and these two diocese have also out-produced vocations to the priesthood. Now there is only one Bishop that does not allow this (Bishop Bruskewitz) and his diocese has the highest rate of vocations.<BR/><BR/>A 2001 letter from the Congregaton for Divine worship on altar servers restated that "it will always be very appropriate to follow the noble tradition of having boys serve at the altar." So if anything there should be a preference for altar boys, though most parishes it seems the oppositie. My own parish has never had altar girls. It is a prudential decision and not one that is doctrine, but it seems rather silly to do this when so many men never realize their vocations to the priesthood.Jeff Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03892529674664589034noreply@blogger.com